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http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342
Summary: Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from
TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
Product: Package Reviews
Version: Current
Platform: All
OS/Version: GNU/Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P5
Component: Review Request
AssignedTo: rpmfusion-package-review(a)rpmfusion.org
ReportedBy: bjohnson(a)symetrix.com
CC: rpmfusion-package-review(a)rpmfusion.org
Estimated Hours: 0.0
SPEC: http://www.symetrix.com/~bjohnson/projects/rpmfusion/tivodecode.spec
SRPM:
http://www.symetrix.com/~bjohnson/projects/rpmfusion/tivodecode-0.2-0.pre...
Description:
This software converts a .TiVo file (produced by the TiVoToGo functionality on
recent TiVo software releases) to a normal MPEG file. This has the same
functionality as using TiVo's supplied DirectShow DLL on Windows with a tool
such as DirectShowDump, but is portable to different architectures and
operating systems, and runs on the command line using files or pipes. The
conversion still requires the valid MAK of the TiVo which recorded the file,
so it cannot be used to circumvent their protection, simply to provide the
same level of access as is already available on Windows.
Why Not Fedora? Patent encumbered.
$ rpmlint *rpm
tivodecode.i386: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode.src: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-debuginfo.i386: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
3 packages and 0 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 3 warnings.
$
QUALCOMM license is not on the fedora licensing page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing, although it appears to be a variation
on a BSD license.
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
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--- Comment #1 from Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at> 2009-01-25 19:51:07 ---
The QUALCOMM license is essentially the SSLeay license:
http://www.sdisw.com/openssl.htm (I recognized the wording of clause 4 of the
QUALCOMM license, including the incorrect reference to a nonexistent "GNU
Public License" - there's a "GNU General Public License", but no
"GNU Public
License"), with the "Windows specific code" clause (clause 4 of the SSLeay
license) removed and with a patent license added (clause 5 of the QUALCOMM
license).
I'm not sure about the freeness of the patent license (does the wording "A free
and irrevocable license is hereby granted for the use of such patents to the
extent required to utilize the Turing family of encryption algorithms for any
purpose" include derivative algorithms or is this one of the typical non-Free
"only licensed if you comply to my standard" clauses?), but my non-lawyer
reading of the license is that this is independent of the copyright license, so
the software is Free where software patents do not apply (and thus suitable for
the free section here at RPM Fusion), given that the terms other than that
patent license are definitely Free (or OpenSSL wouldn't be Free).
Is this the only patent-encumbered code or is there other stuff (e.g. MPEG
compression/decompression) too? If it's the only patent-encumbered code, it may
be worth trying to ask spot about that patent license, to see if it's
acceptable for Fedora. (If you already did that, ignore this paragraph.)
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
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--- Comment #2 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-01-25 20:55:21
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(In reply to comment #1)
The QUALCOMM license is essentially the SSLeay license:
I could have looked for ages and never found that! :)
but my non-lawyer
reading of the license is that this is independent of the copyright license, so
the software is Free where software patents do not apply (and thus suitable for
the free section here at RPM Fusion),
That was my interpretation as well.
Is this the only patent-encumbered code or is there other stuff (e.g.
MPEG
compression/decompression) too? If it's the only patent-encumbered code, it may
be worth trying to ask spot about that patent license, to see if it's
acceptable for Fedora. (If you already did that, ignore this paragraph.)
My understanding of information that I've read about tivodecode is that it has
code that understands the MPEG program stream, but not the
compression/decompression. tivodecode works by undecrypting frames of MPEG
data from the program stream.
I had assumed that anything that was written to even understand the MPEG
program stream would be patent encumbered.
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
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--- Comment #3 from Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at> 2009-01-25 22:35:13 ---
It's not, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=213597 .
So it's the QUALCOMM patent which may be an issue depending on how their patent
license is to be interpreted, I guess you should ask on the fedora-legal-list.
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
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--- Comment #4 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-01-26 18:43:35
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Thanks, I posted to fedora-legal for comments.
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
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--- Comment #5 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-01-26 22:13:41
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And it was denied:
I need a ruling on whether tivodecode can be accepted into Fedora.
It's
> currently submitted to rpmfusion, but Kevin Koffler thought it might be
> able to be accepted into Fedora proper.
>
> There were three things under consideration:
> * Freeness of QUALCOMM software license - appears to be free software
> * QUALCOMM encryption patents (free?)
> * MPEG program stream decoding (not decompression)
Well, there really is a fourth: this is possibly a DMCA violation. Upon
consultation with counsel, we decided that we're much happier with this
living in RPMFusion as a result.
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5:59 a.m.
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--- Comment #6 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-06-23 07:59:42 ---
May I ask, what is this for?
%exclude %{_includedir}/%{name}
%exclude %{_libdir}
Also, please obey the versioning guidelines for pre-release packages:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_pack...
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--- Comment #7 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-06-23 17:28:30
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(In reply to comment #6)
May I ask, what is this for?
%exclude %{_includedir}/%{name}
%exclude %{_libdir}
I'm not including devel files. If you think this is a problem, I can, but I
don't know of any application that builds against libtivodecode.a (a static
library).
Also, please obey the versioning guidelines for pre-release
packages:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_pack...
Looks like I left out a number. I will fix it to be compliant as
tivodecode-0.2-0.1.pre4.1.
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--- Comment #8 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-06-23 20:58:08 ---
(In reply to comment #7)
(In reply to comment #6)
> May I ask, what is this for?
> %exclude %{_includedir}/%{name}
> %exclude %{_libdir}
I'm not including devel files. If you think this is a problem, I can, but I
don't know of any application that builds against libtivodecode.a (a static
library).
There are two options:
1) Ask the upstream if they have the API stabilized. If yes, then patch the
Makefile etc to build shared library with proper soname. The tivodecode
executable has to link to this library dynamically. The library file goes to
the libs subpackage and the header files go to the devel subpackage. Then both
the main package and the devel subpackage will require the libs subpackage.
2) If the API is unstable, then put the static library and the header files in
devel subpackage and add "Provides: %{name}-static = %{version}-%{release}" to
the devel subpackage.
> Also, please obey the versioning guidelines for pre-release
packages:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_pack...
Looks like I left out a number. I will fix it to be compliant as
tivodecode-0.2-0.1.pre4.1.
I think it should go like
tivodecode-0.2-0.1.pre4
tivodecode-0.2-0.2.pre4 (minor packaging fix)
tivodecode-0.2-0.3.pre5 (another prerelease)
tivodecode-0.2-1 (final release)
...
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--- Comment #9 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-06-24 16:23:23
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(In reply to comment #8)
1) Ask the upstream if they have the API stabilized.
Sounds like the API is stable. This is what I received from upstream:
"The API is stable. I wrote an mplayer demuxer prototype that used it (but
I never managed to solve my seeking issues), and also a COM interface
wrapper for Windows (which someone else used to write a .NET application).
One of these days I'll have to release 0.2. The reason I didn't was I
never figured out how exactly I wanted the command line options to save
metadata to work. And I was going to make another program to build a TiVo
file (to allow modifying the metadata and sending the file back to the
TiVo or the TiVo Desktop software)."
So I'll work on shared library route.
Any advice for soname to avoid conflicts with upstream in the future? Just
start with libtivodecode.so.0?
I think it should go like
tivodecode-0.2-0.1.pre4
tivodecode-0.2-0.2.pre4 (minor packaging fix)
tivodecode-0.2-0.3.pre5 (another prerelease)
tivodecode-0.2-1 (final release)
...
Oops, yes, I'll fix that.
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--- Comment #10 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-06-24 20:25:00 ---
(In reply to comment #9)
Any advice for soname to avoid conflicts with upstream in the future? Just
start with libtivodecode.so.0?
Sounds good
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--- Comment #11 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-11-15 07:32:28
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SPEC: http://fedorapeople.org/~bjohnson/tivodecode.spec
SRPM: http://fedorapeople.org/~bjohnson/tivodecode-0.2-0.2.pre4.fc11.src.rpm
Here is the version with a shared library.
$ rpmlint *rpm
tivodecode.i586: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode.src: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-debuginfo.i586: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-devel.i586: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-devel.i586: W: no-documentation
tivodecode-libs.i586: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-libs.i586: W: shared-lib-calls-exit /usr/lib/libtivodecode.so.0.0.0
exit(a)GLIBC_2.0
tivodecode-libs.i586: W: no-documentation
5 packages and 0 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 8 warnings.
I looked into the shared-lib-calls-exit complaint and it is an exist following
a failed malloc and perror in tivo-parse.c. I guess I would have handled it
differently, but I'm reluctant to change it.
I'm not aware of any other issues.
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--- Comment #12 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-11-30 00:15:50 ---
I reviewed this package. I have some questions and comments:
? What part of the code is Public Domain? Remember that, if a public domain
code gets compiled with a more restrictive license (well, any license is more
restrictive than public domain), the resulting binary will have the restrictive
license.
* I believe that the COPYING file must go to the libs package because that is
the base package (the other packages require it), so if someone installs any
tivodecode-X package we make sure that he gets a COPYING file.
! About the rpmlints, the license and documentation ones can be ignored.
shared-libs-calls-exit is not nice. But for the time being there are not so
many applications that depend on this library. So we can ignore this for now,
and come back to it later if it causes problems.
* This looks like free software. But the license contains the phrases:
All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
software must display the following acknowledgement: This product
includes software developed by QUALCOMM Incorporated.
... any commercial product utilising any of the Turing family of encryption
algorithms should show the words "Encryption by QUALCOMM" either on the
product or in the associated documentation.
These make me think that the software might be considered nonfree.
So Fedora Legal denies this package due to patent issues but what did Fedora
Legal say about the freedom of this software? Is it free or nonfree?
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--- Comment #13 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-11-30 05:13:50
---
(In reply to comment #12)
? What part of the code is Public Domain? Remember that, if a public
domain
code gets compiled with a more restrictive license (well, any license is more
restrictive than public domain), the resulting binary will have the restrictive
license.
sha1.c is public domain. Because the package should reflect the license of the
resulting binary, I have changed the license to "BSD and QUALCOMM".
* I believe that the COPYING file must go to the libs package because
that is
the base package (the other packages require it), so if someone installs any
tivodecode-X package we make sure that he gets a COPYING file.
Agreed.
* This looks like free software. But the license contains the
phrases:
All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
software must display the following acknowledgement: This product
includes software developed by QUALCOMM Incorporated.
... any commercial product utilising any of the Turing family of encryption
algorithms should show the words "Encryption by QUALCOMM" either on the
product or in the associated documentation.
These make me think that the software might be considered nonfree.
So Fedora Legal denies this package due to patent issues but what did Fedora
Legal say about the freedom of this software? Is it free or nonfree?
There was no comment regarding free vs non-free by Fedora Legal - simply that
they didn't want tivodecode in Fedora because of other concerns. That comment
is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-legal-list@redhat.com/msg00225.html
Is it the "any commercial product..." phrase that you are concerned about? An
additional restriction for commercial software?
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--- Comment #14 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-11-30 21:02:01 ---
The software is modifiable and re-distributable. These are musts of free
software and this software complies with these requirements. But part where it
says "...must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes
software developed by QUALCOMM Incorporated." makes me suspicious.
The package is good to go after the above two fixes but I don't know if it
should go to the free repo or to the nonfree repo. Shall we consult spot?
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--- Comment #15 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-11-30 21:09:12 ---
Nevermind, there is a BSD license with advertising which has a similar phrase
and it is accepted by Fedora:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/BSD#Original_BSD_License_.28BSD_...
It is just GPL incompatible, which is okay. This software is free. Please make
an update on the SPEC file with the fixes.
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--- Comment #16 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-12-01 06:51:24
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SPEC: http://fedorapeople.org/~bjohnson/tivodecode.spec
SRPM: http://fedorapeople.org/~bjohnson/tivodecode-0.2-0.3.pre4.fc12.src.rpm
* Sat Nov 29 2009 Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> - 0.2-0.3.pre4
- License should be BSD and QUALCOMM only
- moved COPYING file to libs package
$ rpmlint *rpm
tivodecode.src: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode.x86_64: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-debuginfo.x86_64: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-devel.x86_64: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-devel.x86_64: W: no-documentation
tivodecode-libs.x86_64: W: invalid-license QUALCOMM
tivodecode-libs.x86_64: W: shared-lib-calls-exit
/usr/lib64/libtivodecode.so.0.0.0 exit(a)GLIBC_2.2.5
5 packages and 0 specfiles checked; 0 errors, 7 warnings.
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--- Comment #17 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-12-05 23:10:53 ---
Thanks! I think we are done with this one.
----------------------------------------------------------------
This package (tivodecode) is APPROVED by oget for rpmfusion-free
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Since you are a Fedora packager we don't need to ask you for more proof of
eligibility. Besides your other review request seems in good shape. Thus you
are now sponsored in RPMFusion. Go ahead and ask for CVS for the package
following the guidelines at
http://rpmfusion.org/Contributors#head-8354059095aca6ccb5494f9dac8815b732...
Let me know if you have other questions.
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--- Comment #18 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-12-06 01:57:11
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Thanks Orcan!
Package CVS request
======================
Package Name: tivodecode
Short Description: Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
Owners: bjohnson
Branches: F-11, F-12, EL-5
InitialCC:
----------------------
License tag: free
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--- Comment #19 from Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora(a)leemhuis.info> 2009-12-14 19:49:02
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(In reply to comment #18)
Package CVS request
done
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342
Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora(a)leemhuis.info> changed:
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342
Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> changed:
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--- Comment #20 from Bernard Johnson <bjohnson(a)symetrix.com> 2009-12-21 09:44:45
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New subject: [Bug 342] Review request: tivodecode - Convert a .TiVo file from TiVoToGo to a normal MPEG
http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342
Richard <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> changed:
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--- Comment #21 from Richard <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> 2011-10-06 20:55:10 ---
Moving to RF_ACCEPT.
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