7:17 p.m.
Hey folks,
Due to a variety of reasons, I've been scaling back my involvement in Fedora,
MythTV, related projects, and Linux in general, outside of work. As a side-effect
of that, I can't really justify paying as much as I do for internet access anymore,
and the only thing preventing me from dropping my relatively high-priced
business class service for something consumer-grade and 1/3 the cost is the
fact that the one and only active rpm fusion build system sits on that pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up sooner than
later, so builds can be migrated to them, at which point, I can retire the box at
my house, and not drop the extra money every month for the pipe and the
power to keep the box running.
Of course, its probably possible to keep the builder going on a non-biz pipe,
but it might violate terms of use or some such thing, and/or not be nearly as
reliably reachable... Either way, I'd like to drop the internet bill by the first of
December.
--jarod
7:47 p.m.
Well, I hate to see you go but good luck!
I would have had much more trouble getting my first mythtv box working
if it wasn't for "Fedora Myth(TV)ology"
Thanks,
Richard
7:48 p.m.
I use my server on a residential internet plan, I think the volume should be
low enough to avoid any trouble right? hopefully no ports will be blocked,
I hate ISP's that do that.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod(a)wilsonet.com> wrote:
Hey folks,
Due to a variety of reasons, I've been scaling back my involvement in
Fedora,
MythTV, related projects, and Linux in general, outside of work. As a
side-effect
of that, I can't really justify paying as much as I do for internet access
anymore,
and the only thing preventing me from dropping my relatively high-priced
business class service for something consumer-grade and 1/3 the cost is the
fact that the one and only active rpm fusion build system sits on that
pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up sooner than
later, so builds can be migrated to them, at which point, I can retire the
box at
my house, and not drop the extra money every month for the pipe and the
power to keep the box running.
Of course, its probably possible to keep the builder going on a non-biz
pipe,
but it might violate terms of use or some such thing, and/or not be nearly
as
reliably reachable... Either way, I'd like to drop the internet bill by the
first of
December.
--jarod
7:56 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I use my server on a residential internet plan, I think the volume
should be
low enough to avoid any trouble right? hopefully no ports will be blocked,
I hate ISP's that do that.
Yeah, it would be a great excuse to upgrade to a business plan but I
just can afford it. Plus I don't have an extra machine to designate as
a server, just my desktop and my MythTV box.
Richard
8:01 p.m.
you may not need a business plan for that anyways, I don't think there's all
that much traffic involved is there? All it takes is a VM for a builder,
but all i've got is a old P4 with 3 vm's running on it already:)
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, solarflow99
<solarflow99(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> I use my server on a residential internet plan, I think the volume should
be
> low enough to avoid any trouble right? hopefully no ports will be
blocked,
> I hate ISP's that do that.
Yeah, it would be a great excuse to upgrade to a business plan but I
just can afford it. Plus I don't have an extra machine to designate as
a server, just my desktop and my MythTV box.
Richard
8:10 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:01 PM, solarflow99 <solarflow99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
you may not need a business plan for that anyways, I don't think
there's all
that much traffic involved is there? All it takes is a VM for a builder,
but all i've got is a old P4 with 3 vm's running on it already:)
Well, even if they don't block the ports it's a violation of the Terms
of Use, which I'm doing already but mostly just ssh traffic.
I'm not sure how much traffic there is, but it does have to download
the package plus all the packages needed to build the package and then
upload the results, right? My DSL only has about 25KB of upload
bandwidth...
It would be nice to have a full Fedora and RPM Fusion mirror though :)
Richard
8:04 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Jarod Wilson <jarod(a)wilsonet.com> wrote:
Hey folks,
Due to a variety of reasons, I've been scaling back my involvement in Fedora,
MythTV, related projects, and Linux in general, outside of work. As a side-effect
of that, I can't really justify paying as much as I do for internet access anymore,
and the only thing preventing me from dropping my relatively high-priced
business class service for something consumer-grade and 1/3 the cost is the
fact that the one and only active rpm fusion build system sits on that pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up sooner than
later, so builds can be migrated to them, at which point, I can retire the box at
my house, and not drop the extra money every month for the pipe and the
power to keep the box running.
Of course, its probably possible to keep the builder going on a non-biz pipe,
but it might violate terms of use or some such thing, and/or not be nearly as
reliably reachable... Either way, I'd like to drop the internet bill by the first of
December.
--jarod
fdc have cheap machines, arround $39 / month
fdcservers.net
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+55 34 3221 8599 (FIXO MG)
8:15 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
<itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:
fdc have cheap machines, arround $39 / month
fdcservers.net
The only plan I saw for $39/mo was for a dual core Atom... not a good
choice for a build server.
Richard
8:24 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
<itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:
> fdc have cheap machines, arround $39 / month
>
> fdcservers.net
The only plan I saw for $39/mo was for a dual core Atom... not a good
choice for a build server.
Richard
they have colo for $39 too, you can buy a machine and ship to them.
or ask them for sponsorship.
--
------------
Itamar Reis Peixoto
msn, google talk: itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br
+55 11 4063 5033 (FIXO SP)
+55 34 9158 9329 (TIM)
+55 34 8806 3989 (OI)
+55 34 3221 8599 (FIXO MG)
9:53 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto <
itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Richard Shaw
<hobbes1069(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
> <itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:
>> fdc have cheap machines, arround $39 / month
>>
>> fdcservers.net
>
> The only plan I saw for $39/mo was for a dual core Atom... not a good
> choice for a build server.
>
> Richard
>
they have colo for $39 too, you can buy a machine and ship to them.
or ask them for sponsorship.
even better, imagine if rpmfusion had even 1 AMI from Amazon, the host could
just startup only when its needed, and build in the cloud. I wonder if they
would sponsor that though..
11:31 p.m.
I thought about asking my old college professor if they would offer a
place and bandwidth, but they would probably only be willing to host
stuff that's allowed in Fedora... not patent encumbered stuff.
Richard
4 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:15:07PM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
<itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> wrote:
> fdc have cheap machines, arround $39 / month
>
> fdcservers.net
The only plan I saw for $39/mo was for a dual core Atom... not a good
choice for a build server.
In Germany you would get at least a AMD Athlon 64 3700+ with 1 GB RAM
and 160 GB disk space on RAID 1 for this amount of money:
http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/x2
Kind regards
Till
8:15 a.m.
Hi,
I could setup a virtual machine (allocating 2 cores on i5-750 and
2 GiB RAM) over not too much used 2/2 Mbit line ... would that
help?
what are the requirements for the builder, and what is the
typical usage, maybe ten relatively slow machines over slow
lines, which I guess every second of us could donate, would be
better than one fast machine on a fast line?
is there any howto for setting up the builder?
btw, note that I'm willing to donate my computing power, Internet
bandwith and my time to set up the builder, not my time to watch
it and keep it running, so we also need some volunteer to
administer that builder
K.
On Wednesday 19 of October 2011 21:17:21 Jarod Wilson wrote:
Hey folks,
Due to a variety of reasons, I've been scaling back my
involvement in Fedora, MythTV, related projects, and Linux in
general, outside of work. As a side-effect of that, I can't
really justify paying as much as I do for internet access
anymore, and the only thing preventing me from dropping my
relatively high-priced business class service for something
consumer-grade and 1/3 the cost is the fact that the one and
only active rpm fusion build system sits on that pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up
sooner than later, so builds can be migrated to them, at
which point, I can retire the box at my house, and not drop
the extra money every month for the pipe and the power to
keep the box running.
Of course, its probably possible to keep the builder going on
a non-biz pipe, but it might violate terms of use or some
such thing, and/or not be nearly as reliably reachable...
Either way, I'd like to drop the internet bill by the first
of December.
--jarod
--
Karel Volný
QE BaseOs/Daemons Team
Red Hat Czech, Brno
tel. +420 532294274
(RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074)
xmpp kavol(a)jabber.cz
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:: easily be explained by stupidity."
8:20 a.m.
is there any howto for setting up the builder?
Ha!
btw, note that I'm willing to donate my computing power,
Internet
bandwith and my time to set up the builder, not my time to watch
it and keep it running, so we also need some volunteer to
administer that builder
thats been said before.
3:54 p.m.
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:17:21PM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
fact that the one and only active rpm fusion build system sits on
that pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up sooner than
later, so builds can be migrated to them, at which point, I can retire the box at
my house, and not drop the extra money every month for the pipe and the
power to keep the box running.
what are the required minimum specs? I guess it needs to be a 64 Bit
system. But how much RAM and disk space is required? Who will need to
have which kind of shell access?
Kind regards
Till
6 p.m.
On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Till Maas wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:17:21PM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> fact that the one and only active rpm fusion build system sits on that pipe. I'd
> like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up sooner than
> later, so builds can be migrated to them, at which point, I can retire the box at
> my house, and not drop the extra money every month for the pipe and the
> power to keep the box running.
what are the required minimum specs? I guess it needs to be a 64 Bit
system.
Yeah, being 64-bit is a must, so it can build both x86_64 and ix86 packages. Any
cpu more powerful than an atom is probably serviceable. More cores is better,
but not absolutely required. Not sure how many really large and lengthy compiles
there are amongst the package set.
But how much RAM and disk space is required?
Not sure what the minimum requirements are. I'd say at least 2GB of RAM
and 100GB of space for builds. Ideally, there's also a local fedora, epel,
rpmfusion and whatever else mirror, which is another 500GB+, depending on
how complete the mirror is. But if there's speedy access to relatively
nearby existing mirrors, that's probably fine too. There aren't all that
many packages to build most of the time.
Who will need to have which kind of shell access?
The rpm fusion sysadmins, which presently amounts to Nicolas Chauvet and
Xavier Lamien, as far as I know, are the only ones who should need any
shell access. They will need to be able to adjust mock/plague/koji configs
and daemons, not sure if there's anything else.
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
6:52 p.m.
I'm assuming we'd run something like CENTOS 6 on it, right?
I wish I wasn't so broke! I can get a discount through my company for
pretty much any consumer grade hardware at HP.
For $450 I can get a Quad-core AMD with 4GB ram and a 1TB harddrive.
or something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103379
Richard
8:54 p.m.
Not that I have a spare box right now, but I went ahead and looked at
upgrading my internet...
Comcast Business class 12Mbit down, 2MBit up with 1 static IP: About
$80/month... Twice what I'm paying now.
Oh well
Richard
6:02 p.m.
Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't know how
easy it will be to accomplish.
I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following requirements:
1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
robin approach.
3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
use my machine for gaming.
Another option in addition to the above would be to allow uploading of
packages from contributors machines to buildsys. I would suggest
making it possible from cvs/make where the packages would get built on
the local machine and then be uploaded.
I'm sure there are some technical hurdles but a distributed approach
may keep us from having to come up with a dedicated builder.
What does everyone think?
Richard
7:25 p.m.
On 24/10/11 05:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
I'm sure there are some technical hurdles but a distributed
approach
may keep us from having to come up with a dedicated builder.
What does everyone think?
I wouldn't mind doing so, but I don't think the
machine side is that
hard from the sound of it. More problematic is how to provide enough
bandwidth, and total usage. Do we have a feel for the BW / monthly data
usage side of the equation ?
1:13 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 24/10/11 05:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> I'm sure there are some technical hurdles but a distributed approach
> may keep us from having to come up with a dedicated builder.
>
> What does everyone think?
I wouldn't mind doing so, but I don't think the machine side is that hard
from the sound of it. More problematic is how to provide enough bandwidth,
and total usage. Do we have a feel for the BW / monthly data usage side of
the equation ?
I have no idea... I know on the download side my 3MB DSL seems to be
"enough". I do a lot of test building in mock and it does a good job
of caching packages. On the upload side though It's pretty bad.
384Kbit, and I can only allow about 200Kbit or DNS resolving gets VERY
slow.
If we can get distributed building working though, I might be willing
to upgrade my service a bit.
I'm proposing we start working on a package, called something like
"rpmfusion-builder" to make setting things up as easy as possible.
Can someone (Jarod?) reply with a summery of what's involved in setting one up?
Thanks,
Richard
1:58 p.m.
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:13:31 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote:
If we can get distributed building working though, I might be
willing
to upgrade my service a bit.
For a short-term solution, this would need a little bit of development of
the Plague build service.
The server (the "builder manager") can handle remote builders, which go
offline temporarily. It pings them regularly for a sign of life, but it
doesn't do any appropriate scheduling of build jobs to distribute the load
equally to all available builders. The builder with the most free build
slots is considered the most powerful and wins. The number of free build
slots is the only criterion. How many slots a builder offers is not
configurable, but hardcoded depending on number of CPUs. That would need
to change, too.
Experimenting with many more builders distributed to contributors'
machines would have made a lot of sense years ago. Though, it could be
that development in that area would have competed with koji. The Plague
builders as used by RPM Fusion (and as had been used by Fedora Extras) are
"passive", which means they must be reachable from the outside. The
"active" builders, which would query the server themselves and could hide
behind a tightened up firewall, have been a feature of the unreleased
Plague 0.5.0 development version only.
Also to consider: Would each builder work with its own repository config?
For example, using mostly default mock configs with mirrorlist pointing
at the repos? Or would the project create an own central mirror for all
needed repos and have builders use that one? If not, what technique is
used (and probably not implemented yet) to have builders wait for certain
required packages to become available in a repo (similar to koji wait-repo)?
2:04 p.m.
On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Timms
<dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 24/10/11 05:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure there are some technical hurdles but a distributed approach
>> may keep us from having to come up with a dedicated builder.
>>
>> What does everyone think?
>
> I wouldn't mind doing so, but I don't think the machine side is that hard
> from the sound of it. More problematic is how to provide enough bandwidth,
> and total usage. Do we have a feel for the BW / monthly data usage side of
> the equation ?
I have no idea... I know on the download side my 3MB DSL seems to be
"enough". I do a lot of test building in mock and it does a good job
of caching packages. On the upload side though It's pretty bad.
384Kbit, and I can only allow about 200Kbit or DNS resolving gets VERY
slow.
Well, there really isn't *that* much to upload, so even if its slow, meh. At least,
that's my take right now. I don't really have any idea how much there is to
upload though, or how long it takes. I haven't had any network issues that
resulted from it, but my uplink speed is several orders of magnitude higher
than 384Kbps.
If we can get distributed building working though, I might be
willing
to upgrade my service a bit.
I'm proposing we start working on a package, called something like
"rpmfusion-builder" to make setting things up as easy as possible.
Can someone (Jarod?) reply with a summery of what's involved in setting one up?
Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it though. Its a fairly
minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
2:16 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:04:58AM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> Can someone (Jarod?) reply with a summery of what's involved
in setting one up?
Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it though. Its a fairly
minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
I can set up an older 64bit machine with lots of bandwidth and local
mirrors in the next few days. I will let you know when it is ready.
Adrian
3:35 p.m.
On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Adrian Reber wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:04:58AM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote:
>> Can someone (Jarod?) reply with a summery of what's involved in setting one
up?
>
> Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it though. Its a fairly
> minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
> with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
I can set up an older 64bit machine with lots of bandwidth and local
mirrors in the next few days. I will let you know when it is ready.
Excellent, let me know if there's anything I can do to help on the config side.
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
2:17 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Jarod Wilson <jarod(a)wilsonet.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> On 24/10/11 05:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are some technical hurdles but a distributed approach
>>> may keep us from having to come up with a dedicated builder.
>>>
>>> What does everyone think?
>>
>> I wouldn't mind doing so, but I don't think the machine side is that
hard
>> from the sound of it. More problematic is how to provide enough bandwidth,
>> and total usage. Do we have a feel for the BW / monthly data usage side of
>> the equation ?
>
> I have no idea... I know on the download side my 3MB DSL seems to be
> "enough". I do a lot of test building in mock and it does a good job
> of caching packages. On the upload side though It's pretty bad.
> 384Kbit, and I can only allow about 200Kbit or DNS resolving gets VERY
> slow.
Well, there really isn't *that* much to upload, so even if its slow, meh. At least,
that's my take right now. I don't really have any idea how much there is to
upload though, or how long it takes. I haven't had any network issues that
resulted from it, but my uplink speed is several orders of magnitude higher
than 384Kbps.
I checked on upgrading to business class DSL so I can stop violating
my TOS. Price wise it's fine. BellSouth is running a deal I can get
6Mbit DSL for $30/mo+tax for a year, which is cheaper than what I'm
paying now. The downside is it only gets me 512kb up.
> If we can get distributed building working though, I might be
willing
> to upgrade my service a bit.
>
> I'm proposing we start working on a package, called something like
> "rpmfusion-builder" to make setting things up as easy as possible.
>
> Can someone (Jarod?) reply with a summery of what's involved in setting one up?
Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it though. Its a fairly
minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
Is is EL required? If so I'll have to run it in a virtual machine
which adds a layer of complexity.
Richard
2:36 p.m.
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:17:30 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote:
> Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it
though. Its a fairly
> minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
> with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
Is is EL required? If so I'll have to run it in a virtual machine
which adds a layer of complexity.
Fedora <= 15 has been tested and kept working with Plague. On F-16 I've
not tested Plague yet.
About how to set up a builder (and/or the server), it would help if the
current config files (except for the certificates!), including any mock
config customisations, would be made available somewhere. As examples and
for reviewing purposes -- and to create a template which to reuse for
new builder configuration files. Surely they are kept somewhere, so
files like build target config files are simply copied to all builders
instead of created from scratch.
2:48 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:17:30 -0500, RS (Richard) wrote:
> > Can't entirely recall. There's not a huge amount to it though. Its a
fairly
> > minimal el6 install, add plague, koji and mock, and configure them (along
> > with the necessary firewall holes for the plague and koji client daemons).
>
> Is is EL required? If so I'll have to run it in a virtual machine
> which adds a layer of complexity.
Fedora <= 15 has been tested and kept working with Plague. On F-16 I've
not tested Plague yet.
Good. I'm still on F15.
About how to set up a builder (and/or the server), it would help if
the
current config files (except for the certificates!), including any mock
config customisations, would be made available somewhere. As examples and
for reviewing purposes -- and to create a template which to reuse for
new builder configuration files. Surely they are kept somewhere, so
files like build target config files are simply copied to all builders
instead of created from scratch.
That's what I was thinking the rpmfusion-builder package could be used
for, to pull in the right packages with simple Requires: and then
supply basic configuration files and templates with a README to
explain what's left for the end user to do.
Richard
3:41 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 01:02:39PM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't
know how
easy it will be to accomplish.
I asked at the local university whether they could provide a builder.
They are currently looking for a possible machine, therefore something
might be possible there.
I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following
requirements:
1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
robin approach.
3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
use my machine for gaming.
I would provide a virtual machine on my desktop if nobody will require
shell access on it. And I do not care about point 1 or 2, but it will
not be available 24/7.
Regards
Till
7:07 p.m.
On Sunday, 23 October 2011 at 20:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't
know how
easy it will be to accomplish.
I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following requirements:
1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
robin approach.
3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
use my machine for gaming.
Another option in addition to the above would be to allow uploading of
packages from contributors machines to buildsys. I would suggest
making it possible from cvs/make where the packages would get built on
the local machine and then be uploaded.
I can set up a builder on my home server, if necessary. However my uplink
is only 512kbps at the moment and the server is a 64bit dual-core Atom,
so not exactly a speed demon. :)
Regards,
Dominik
--
Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann
RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu
"Faith manages."
-- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:"Confessions and Lamentations"
1:15 p.m.
On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
On Sunday, 23 October 2011 at 20:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't know how
> easy it will be to accomplish.
>
> I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following requirements:
>
> 1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
> 2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
> robin approach.
> 3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
> use my machine for gaming.
>
> Another option in addition to the above would be to allow uploading of
> packages from contributors machines to buildsys. I would suggest
> making it possible from cvs/make where the packages would get built on
> the local machine and then be uploaded.
I can set up a builder on my home server, if necessary. However my uplink
is only 512kbps at the moment and the server is a 64bit dual-core Atom,
so not exactly a speed demon. :)
I tried running a similar atom box as a builder at one point. It was horrendous,
the thing kept choking on builds, took ages to complete anything, often got
itself completely hung due to excessive swapping, would oom-kill, etc. But if
you had tons of RAM in it (read: more than 4GB), it *might* be okay. I'd be
more inclined to roll with what Adrian is cooking up. :)
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Jarod Wilson
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1:27 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jarod Wilson <jarod(a)wilsonet.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
> On Sunday, 23 October 2011 at 20:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't know how
>> easy it will be to accomplish.
>>
>> I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following requirements:
>>
>> 1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
>> 2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
>> robin approach.
>> 3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
>> use my machine for gaming.
>>
>> Another option in addition to the above would be to allow uploading of
>> packages from contributors machines to buildsys. I would suggest
>> making it possible from cvs/make where the packages would get built on
>> the local machine and then be uploaded.
>
> I can set up a builder on my home server, if necessary. However my uplink
> is only 512kbps at the moment and the server is a 64bit dual-core Atom,
> so not exactly a speed demon. :)
I tried running a similar atom box as a builder at one point. It was horrendous,
the thing kept choking on builds, took ages to complete anything, often got
itself completely hung due to excessive swapping, would oom-kill, etc. But if
you had tons of RAM in it (read: more than 4GB), it *might* be okay. I'd be
more inclined to roll with what Adrian is cooking up. :)
As a point of reference, I get decent build times on my AMD X2 Kuma
2.7GHz machine with 4GB of memory.
Mythtv (after initial package caching in mock) took about 25 minutes
Building the kernel takes right at 2 hours.
I think a quad core with close to 3GHz speeds would be ideal :)
Richard
1:49 p.m.
On Oct 25, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jarod Wilson
<jarod(a)wilsonet.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 23 October 2011 at 20:02, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>> Since no one has stepped up yet I have a proposal but I don't know how
>>> easy it will be to accomplish.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to offer up my desktop machine with the following
requirements:
>>>
>>> 1. At least 5 to 10 others in total do the same
>>> 2. Building packages would be assigned to all machines in a round
>>> robin approach.
>>> 3. I can shut down the builds by window or manually. I do occasionally
>>> use my machine for gaming.
>>>
>>> Another option in addition to the above would be to allow uploading of
>>> packages from contributors machines to buildsys. I would suggest
>>> making it possible from cvs/make where the packages would get built on
>>> the local machine and then be uploaded.
>>
>> I can set up a builder on my home server, if necessary. However my uplink
>> is only 512kbps at the moment and the server is a 64bit dual-core Atom,
>> so not exactly a speed demon. :)
>
> I tried running a similar atom box as a builder at one point. It was horrendous,
> the thing kept choking on builds, took ages to complete anything, often got
> itself completely hung due to excessive swapping, would oom-kill, etc. But if
> you had tons of RAM in it (read: more than 4GB), it *might* be okay. I'd be
> more inclined to roll with what Adrian is cooking up. :)
As a point of reference, I get decent build times on my AMD X2 Kuma
2.7GHz machine with 4GB of memory.
The current host is actually right about the same specs. The atom might have
only had 2GB, not certain. But the cpus were definitely overwhelmed.
Mythtv (after initial package caching in mock) took about 25 minutes
Building the kernel takes right at 2 hours.
Note that plague will, iirc, queue both the x86_64 and i686 builds at the same
time. And so plague thought the dual-core atom with hyperthreading turned on
should be doing two simultaneous -j4 builds. It was less bad with two -j2 builds,
but still pretty bad. The atom is flat-out a terrible cpu for anything even remotely
computational. A dual-core Athlon X2 handles the load just fine.
I think a quad core with close to 3GHz speeds would be ideal :)
Remember, clock speed ain't everything. I'd rather have a low-power 2GHz
quad-core i7, which would still trounce an Athlon X2.
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
2:36 p.m.
On Tuesday 25 of October 2011 15:27:57 Richard Shaw wrote:
Mythtv (after initial package caching in mock) took about 25
minutes Building the kernel takes right at 2 hours.
last time I've recompiled kernel it was on my Gentoo box and it
took about five minutes - oh my ...
/me hides :-)
K.
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:: "Never attribute to malice what can
:: easily be explained by stupidity."
2:40 p.m.
2011/10/25 Karel Volný <kvolny(a)redhat.com>:
On Tuesday 25 of October 2011 15:27:57 Richard Shaw wrote:
> Mythtv (after initial package caching in mock) took about 25
> minutes Building the kernel takes right at 2 hours.
last time I've recompiled kernel it was on my Gentoo box and it
took about five minutes - oh my ...
Well you can do that when you don't build everything :) I tried Gentoo
and overall liked it but it did get tiresome building everything from
source. Of course I had a much slower system back then.
Richard
1:28 a.m.
Karel Volný wrote:
last time I've recompiled kernel it was on my Gentoo box and it
took about five minutes - oh my ...
/me hides :-)
It takes much less time to build a kernel configured specifically for your
machine, with only the modules you need (compiled in or as module shouldn't
matter), than to build a distro kernel, which has to build almost all
modules in existence. But of course, you have to know what you're doing to
configure a custom kernel, and it also takes time (YOUR time, not just your
computer's) to configure it.
Kevin Kofler
2:46 p.m.
On Saturday 29 of October 2011 03:28:15 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Karel Volný wrote:
> last time I've recompiled kernel it was on my Gentoo box and
> it took about five minutes - oh my ...
>
> /me hides :-)
It takes much less time to build a kernel configured
specifically for your machine, with only the modules you need
(compiled in or as module shouldn't matter), than to build a
distro kernel, which has to build almost all modules in
existence.
I know ... I just deemed it an interesting comparison, although
completely useless
But of course, you have to know what you're doing
to configure a custom kernel, and it also takes time (YOUR
time, not just your computer's) to configure it.
which isn't a bad thing after all, because at least learn
something
and 'make oldconfig' is such a wonderful command ...
K.
--
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QE BaseOs/Daemons Team
Red Hat Czech, Brno
tel. +420 532294274
(RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074)
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:: "Never attribute to malice what can
:: easily be explained by stupidity."
2:23 p.m.
Hi,
I haven't seen any progress in the past few days, so let me ask
what is the status?
- if still needed, I've set up a virtual machine (2 cores of i7 @
2.66 GHz, 2 GiB RAM, 100 GiB HDD), just tell me what should I put
into /etc/plague/builder/plague-builder.cfg ...
K.
On Wednesday 19 of October 2011 21:17:21 Jarod Wilson wrote:
Hey folks,
Due to a variety of reasons, I've been scaling back my
involvement in Fedora, MythTV, related projects, and Linux in
general, outside of work. As a side-effect of that, I can't
really justify paying as much as I do for internet access
anymore, and the only thing preventing me from dropping my
relatively high-priced business class service for something
consumer-grade and 1/3 the cost is the fact that the one and
only active rpm fusion build system sits on that pipe. I'd
like to see another system (or systems) elsewhere brought up
sooner than later, so builds can be migrated to them, at
which point, I can retire the box at my house, and not drop
the extra money every month for the pipe and the power to
keep the box running.
Of course, its probably possible to keep the builder going on
a non-biz pipe, but it might violate terms of use or some
such thing, and/or not be nearly as reliably reachable...
Either way, I'd like to drop the internet bill by the first
of December.
--jarod
--
Karel Volný
QE BaseOs/Daemons Team
Red Hat Czech, Brno
tel. +420 532294274
(RH: +420 532294111 ext. 8262074)
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:: "Never attribute to malice what can
:: easily be explained by stupidity."
8:27 p.m.
Seeing if I can jump start the conversation...
This would work, we just need $160 + shipping :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-1U-Mini-4GB-Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-3000-...
Richard
8:36 p.m.
On Nov 17, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
Seeing if I can jump start the conversation...
This would work, we just need $160 + shipping :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-1U-Mini-4GB-Intel-Xeon-Quad-Core-3000-...
As I understand it, both Adrian and Karel have systems already ready already,
they just need to be taken advantage of.
In related news, seems power is out at home again... Sigh.
--jarod
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