Hi all! Heads up: Please read this (lengthy) mail completely if you are a Livna contributor -- especially if you or get this mail directly from me a second time (¹)! It contains a whole lot of important informations for you and the future of your Livna packages in RPM Fusion ( http://rpmfusion.org )! = What is this mail about = The buildsystem for RPM Fusion (which will obsolete Livna over the next few months; hopefully sooner than later!) is working now, the push scripts in place and we have small initial RPM Fusion repositories for yum available now as well; so I'd say it's time to import more packages and give the buildsys something to work on. That's why I'd like to import a good portion of Livna's packages to RPM Fusion's CVS soon and build them for F-8, F-9 and devel afterwards. That is a whole lot of work and needs to be carefully done -- especially as their are complex dependencies in our software stack. This mail is only the first step of that work, but even preparing and writing it took most of my time this Sunday :-/ = Preparations = I created owners.list entries for all free and nonfree livna packages that afaics should be part of the initial Livna -> RPM Fusion import/move (there are some packages left out for now; see below); you can find those owner.list line in attached files and in the wiki at http://rpmfusion.org/LivnaImport I likely did a few mistakes here and there, thus *please* check your packages carefully. Especially: -- grep for your email address and make sure that you actually want to maintain the packages that you are assigned to; if I did a mistake somewhere please yell; it still can be easily fixed ;-) -- check that all your livna packages are mentioned in one of those files *or* in this mail -- check that all packages in the free repo are actually free; Reminder: the term free in this context means: packages that might use patent encumbered techniques (and thus is unwanted in Fedora) that have a license that would normally be suitable for Fedora If I did any mistakes please let me know or fix them straight in the wiki. In a few days (Tuesday or Thursday this week hopefully; and of course only if everyone is fine with this eager plan) I'll take the two sections from the wiki page and add them to the owners.list. Right after that I'll create the packages in CVS; I'll add branches for F-8, F-9 and devel. == Adjustments some package maintainers should prepare == We some months ago IIRC agreed to use the term "freeworld" for add-on packages (like enhancing add-on packages for normal Fedora packages) that are free and open source software, but might use patent encumbered techniques. That will avoid that we have packages called "nonfree" in the free repos. The attached lists reflect that rename already; but a few packages in livna still use the old name: amarok-extras-nonfree audacious-plugins-nonfree k3b-extras-nonfree libtunepimp-extras-nonfree xine-lib-extras-nonfree Those packages thus need to be renamed; proper obsoletes need to be added. This can be done in Livna now or during the import to RPM Fusion. = Import and initial builds = Once the packages and branches got created in CVS somebody needs to do the import and the initial builds. Here it getting complicated. == Merging/Coordination Livna and RPM Fusion == To the best of my knowledge all Livna packages in attached lists that are also in Freshrpms were merged (e.g. someone claimed ownership of a package; he looked at the packages from Livna and freshrpms; he chose one as base and merged the good parts from the other spec into the other one; he also made sure the upgrade path works for both repos). But most of these merges happened months ago; so I strongly suggest everyone once again compares the Livna and Freshrpms packages now and merges new improvements from the other packages into the one that is going to be imported. Note that there are some packages in attached list that are not on http://rpmfusion.org/InitialPackageMerge ; that's because they were added to Livna through Livna or RPM Fusion review after we worked on that page a few months ago. Here is a list: autopano-sift-C compat-plone compat-python24 compat-python24-elementtree compat-python24-feedparser compat-python24-imaging compat-python24-lxml compat-python24-setuptools compat-zope kmediafactory lastfm libdlna mythtv mythtv-themes qmmp-plugins-freeworld ufoai ufoai-data ushare-freeworld vagalume None of them is in Freshrpms afaik, so no merging required afaics. == Actual import == I suppose I'll take weeks until everything gets imported if we leave importing to the individual packager maintainers. The dependencies for some of the packages in attached lists are also quite heavy and complicated; thus it'll take some more weeks until everything gets build in the proper order :-/ That why I offer to help with importing and initial builds to speed everything up a bit. So if you want me to do the hard work just let me know; then I'll import your livna package to RPM Fusion and do the initial build once all deps are available. Note that I can do that only for those packages where it's easily done without knowing the package to much; e.g. the spec files in all branches must be the same and no addition work (renames from nonfree -> freeworld) should be required. If you want to do the import yourself: once the branches got created (that will be announced) please take the time and to the initial import to RPM Fusion within a few days. Also feel free to kick off a build, even if you know that some deps are still missing; I'll watch the failed queue and might requeue the build once all BRs are available. If it's fine for everyone I'd even like to import the "easy" packages (see about) from other livna maintainer if they didn't do that within one week after the branches got created to speed things up; but that's just a option I only consider right now; we can discuss it once we know how fast and proper things are moving forward. == EVR issues === Reminder: the release for each newly imported package must be increased by at least one to make sure the EVR of the RPM Fusion package is higher than its ancestor in Livna! if your package is in freshroms as well please make sure that the EVR is higher than in freshrpms ;-) = Access to RPM Fusions CVS and buildsys = CVS and buildsys are fully available now; everything kind of works like a mix between current Fedora and Fedora Extras. The Wiki on http://rpmfusion.org/Contributors contains more informations; Round about it works like this: * you become a RPM Fusion contributor through FAS2 https://fas.rpmfusion.org/accounts/ (works just like in Fedora these days); existing Fedora or Livna contributors need no sponsor; as the FAS requires someone to be sponsor ping me or Xavier -- we'll sponsor you then * you configure plague; see http://rpmfusion.org/Buildsystem/PlagueUsage * once your package was created and branch in CVS you can do: export CVSROOT=:ext:<FAS_username>@cvs.rpmfusion.org:/cvs/<tree> export CVS_RSH=ssh cvs co foo * you can import the package yourself using cvs-import.sh * everything else works like in Fedora; e.g. do modifications, commit, run "make tag build" = What's still missing -- or -- problematic packages = The attached package lists don't contain all packages from Livna as some things are still unclear. In parallel with the preparations and the import I'd like to solve some of those problems (or at least work towards solving them). Some of them might be solved easily; for those I'd be really glad if we could solve them quickly; then those packages can be added to the lists in the wiki ( http://rpmfusion.org/LivnaImport ) and the packages thus can be part of the mass-creating and branching of Livna packages in RPM Fusion's CVS. * Free or Nonfree? I'm not sure where to put: Fedora|crimson-fields|Crimson Fields is a tactical war game in the tradition of Battle Isle|chris.stone(a)gmail.com|| * the following Livna package have no owner in RPM Fusion; but the packages are required, as other Livna/RPM Fusion packages depend on them: Fedora|mpgtx|An MPEG toolbox|???|| -> needed by dvdstyler Fedora|mjpegtools|Tools to manipulate MPEG data|???|| -> needed by dvdstyler, gstreamer-plugins-bad, mythtv, transcode Fedora|libfame|Fast Assembly Mpeg Encoding library|???|| -> needed by mythtv Fedora|vcdimager|VideoCD mastering and ripping tool|???|| - needed by vlc, xine-lib-extras-nonfree * Akode-extras Fedora|akode-extras|Extra decoder plugins for akode|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Most of our add-one packages that might use patent encumbered techniques (like libtunepimp-extras-freeworld, audacious-plugins-freeworld, qmmp-plugins-nonfree or xine-lib-extras-freeworld) use or will use term freeworld in the name; should we do the same for akode-extras as well and call it Akode-extras-freeworld in the future? * Live Fedora|live|Live555.com streaming libraries|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Live is in livna, but kwizard is working on a successor with a different name; see http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1951 for details As a few packages have a BR on live I'd prefer if that review can be finished quickly to prevent that live is blocking other packages; if a quickly review is not possible I'd suggest we go with the current live and switch to the other one later * libxml2-python24 Fedora|libxml2-python24|Python2.4 bindings for the libxml2 library|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| All the other packages for zope and plone use the compat- prefix; this one doesn't. Should we fix that during the Livna -> RPM Fusion move? * Are these still needed/wanted? Fedora|pine|A commonly used, MIME compliant mail and news reader.|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|unrar|Utility for extracting, testing and viewing RAR archives| -- none -- || * no owner for RPM fusion yet Fedora|audacity-nonfree|Extremely fast library for floating-point convolution|??? mschwendt maybe ???|| Fedora|djbfft|Extremely fast library for floating-point convolution|???||??? Obsolete as well ??? Fedora|jad|Java Decompiler|???|| Fedora|m2vrequantiser|???|???|| Fedora|madplay|MPEG audio decoder and player|???|| Fedora|fame|Fast Assembly MPEG Encoder|???|| Fedora|mjpegtools|Tools to manipulate MPEG data|???|| Fedora|normalize|Tool for adjusting the volume of audio files to a standard level||| Fedora|tcmplex-panteltje|MPEG stream multiplexer|???|| Fedora|vdr-burn|DVD writing plugin for VDR|???|| Fedora|vdr-dxr3|Hollywood+/DXR3 output plugin for VDR|???|| Fedora|vdr-mp3|Sound playback plugin for VDR|???|| Fedora|vdrsync|Recording demultiplexer for VDR|???|| Fedora|y4mscaler|Video scaler which operates on YUV4MPEG2 streams|???| Fedora|unrar|Utility for extracting, testing and viewing RAR archives| -- none -- || * the following Livna package remain in Livna until we agreed on what to do with Kernel modules in RPM Fusion: kmods and their matching userland packages: em8300, fglrx, gscpa, iscsitarget, kqemu, madwifi, ndiswrapper, nvidia{,96xx,legacy} (there are also plans to rename those three), qc, slmodem (broken anyway right now), nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig kmod-infra: akmods, buildsys-build-rpmfusion, kmodtool * Unkown status (I'll try to ping andreas): Fedora|scummvm|Implementation of the SCUMM engine|andreas.bierfert(a)lowlatency.de|| Fedora|scummvm-tools|Tools for scummVM / S.C.U.M.M scripting language|andreas.bierfert(a)lowlatency.de|| = Livna Future = Once - the RPM Fusion repos contains the bulk of the packages from attached list - the DNS for the repo server is adjusted - the RPM Fusion release packages for the free and nonfree repos are built and published I'd like to ship the RPM Fusion release packages in livna and build a updated livna-release package that has a hard dep on those two; that way all livna users will automatically get repo files for RPM Fusion. Once we are at this stage I'd like to stop shipping updates in Livna for packages that were imported and build in RPM Fusion. How we deal with Livna once all maintained packages from Livna are imported and build in RPM Fusion remains to be seen. Some thoughts: - we leave the repos in place and put big warning signs everywhere - we let the -release packages from RPM Fusion obsolete livna-release - we announce EOL for Livna = freshrpms and dribble import = Once I made it through the bulk of livna packages I willing to help getting the freshrpms packages imported to RPM Fusion (if that's wanted). Of course someone can work on that in parallel to the Livna import ;-) Some of the dribble packages are already imported. I'm not sure what the exact status is. If you need help with something let me know. = EOF = That all. Well, likely not all, as I'm sure I have forgotten some things. But I'm sure someone else will bring them up :) Please comment if you don't like something. It doesn't have to work as I outline it here; it's just a "that's how knurd would like to do it as that in his options in the quickes and easiest way for everyone involved". CU knurd (¹) -- In addition to this mailing list post I'll send a copy of this mail to each livna contributor that is mentioned in one of the two attached files Fedora|d1x|Modified version of Descent 1|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|doom-shareware|Official shareware game files for DOOM|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|pdflib-lite|Portable C library for dynamically generating PDF files|Fedora(a)FamilleCollet.com|| Fedora|unace|A tool to extract ace archives.|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|xrick|A clone of the game Rick Dangerous|chris.stone(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|a52dec|A free ATSC A/52 stream decoder|david(a)juran.se|| Fedora|amarok-extras-freeworld|Additional functionality for the amaroK media player|gauret(a)free.fr|| Fedora|amule|File sharing client compatible with eDonkey|gauret(a)free.fr|| Fedora|audacious-plugins-freeworld|Additional plugins for the Audacious media player|ralf(a)skytale.net|| Fedora|autopano-sift-C|SIFT feature detection|bruno(a)postle.net|| Fedora|avidemux|Graphical video editing tool|s.adam(a)diffingo.com|| Fedora|comical|GUI comic book viewer|andreas(a)bawue.net|| Fedora|compat-plone|User friendly and powerful open source Content Management System|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24|An interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24-elementtree|Fast XML parser and writer|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24-feedparser|Parse RSS and Atom feeds in Python|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24-imaging|Python's own image processing library|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24-lxml|ElementTree-like Python bindings for libxml2 and libxslt|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-python24-setuptools|Download, build, install, upgrade, and uninstall Python packages|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|compat-zope|Web application server for flexible content management applications|jon(a)fedoraunity.org|| Fedora|devede|DeVeDe is a program to create video DVDs and CDs (VCD, sVCD or CVD)|musuruan(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|dvdstyler|Cross-platform DVD authoring system|s.adam(a)diffingo.com|| Fedora|faac|Encoder and encoding library for MPEG2/4 AAC|fedora(a)leemhuis.info|| Fedora|faad2|Advanced Audio Decoder|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|ffmpeg|Digital VCR and streaming server|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|ffmpeg2theora|Convert any file that ffmpeg can decode to theora|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|foo2zjs|Linux printer driver for ZjStream protocol|dwmw2(a)redhat.com|| Fedora|freetype-freeworld|A free and portable font rendering engine|Kevin(a)tigcc.ticalc.org|| Fedora|gecko-mediaplayer|Gnome MPlayer browser plugin|belegdol(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|gltron|A 3D game inspired by the movie TRON|chris.stone(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|gnome-mplayer|A simple MPlayer GUI|belegdol(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|gpac|MPEG-4 multimedia framework|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|gstreamer-ffmpeg|GStreamer FFmpeg-based plug-ins|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|gstreamer-plugins-bad|GStreamer streaming media framework "bad" plug-ins|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|gstreamer-plugins-ugly|GStreamer streaming media framework "ugly" plug-ins|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|gsview|PostScript and PDF previewer|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|jbigkit|JBIG1 lossless image compression tools|dwmw2(a)redhat.com|| Fedora|k3b-extras-freeworld|Additional codec plugins for the k3b CD/DVD burning application|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|k9copy|Video DVD backup and creation program|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|kino|Kino is a non-linear DV editor for GNU/Linux|dan(a)danny.cz|| Fedora|kmediafactory|A template based DVD authoring tool|fedora@deadbabylon.de||rdieter(a)math.unl.edu Fedora|kplayer|A KDE media player based on MPlayer|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|lame|Free MP3 audio compressor|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|lastfm|Last.fm music client|sergio.pasra(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|libdca|DTS Coherent Acoustics decoder library|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|libdlna|Open-source implementation of DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) standards|eric.tanguy(a)univ-nantes.fr|| Fedora|libdvbpsi|Library for MPEG TS and DVB PSI tables decoding and generation|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|libmad|MPEG audio decoder library|david(a)juran.se|| Fedora|libmms|Library for Microsoft Media Server (MMS) streaming protocol|j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl|| Fedora|libmpeg3|Decoder of various derivatives of MPEG standards|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|libquicktime|A library for reading and writing Quicktime files.|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|libtunepimp-extras-freeworld|freeworld plugins for libtunepimp|rdieter(a)math.unl.edu|| Fedora|mp3gain|Lossless MP3 volume adjustment tool|bpepple(a)fedoraproject.org|| Fedora|mpd|The Music Player Daemon|adrian(a)lisas.de|| Fedora|mpg321|Command line MPEG audio player|adrian(a)lisas.de|| Fedora|mplayer|Movie player playing most video formats and DVDs|ville.skytta(a)iki.fi|| Fedora|mythtv|A digital video recorder (DVR) application|jarod(a)wilsonet.com|| Fedora|mythtv-themes|Additional User Interface themes for MythTV|jarod(a)wilsonet.com|| Fedora|php-pecl-pdflib|Package for generating PDF files|Fedora(a)FamilleCollet.com|| Fedora|qmmp-plugins-freeworld|Plugins for qmmp (Qt-based multimedia player)|kvolny(a)fedoraproject.org|| Fedora|SDL_sound|Library handling decoding of several popular sound file formats.|chris.stone(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|smplayer|A graphical frontend for mplayer|fedora(a)deadbabylon.de|| Fedora|smpeg|MPEG library for SDL|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|streamdvd|A fast tool to backup Video DVDs|lxtnow(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|streamripper|Shoutcast and icecast compatible streams recorder|lxtnow(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|subtitleripper|A tool to rip DVD subtitles|lxtnow(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|transcode|Video stream processing tool|david(a)juran.se|| Fedora|twolame|TwoLAME is an optimised MPEG Audio Layer 2 encoding library based on tooLAME|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|ufoai|UFO: Alien Invasion|kvolny(a)fedoraproject.org|| Fedora|ufoai-data|UFO: Alien Invasion data files|kvolny(a)fedoraproject.org|| Fedora|ushare-freeworld|UPnP (TM) A/V & DLNA Media Server|eric.tanguy(a)univ-nantes.fr|| Fedora|vagalume|Last.fm client for GNOME and Maemo|salimma(a)fedoraproject.org|| Fedora|vlc|Multi-platform MPEG, DVD, and DivX player|kwizart(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|x264|H264/AVC video streams encoder|rpm(a)greysector.net|| Fedora|xmms-mp3|MP3 output plugin for XMMS|lxtnow(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|xine|Free multimedia player|lxtnow(a)gmail.com|| Fedora|xine-lib-extras-freeworld|Xine library|gauret(a)free.fr|| Fedora|xv|Interactive image display program for X|somlo(a)cmu.edu|| Fedora|xvidcore|Free reimplementation of the OpenDivX video codec|rpm(a)greysector.net||