1:15 p.m.
Aloa,
is there an upstream place for kmodtool? And in which repository should it be?
And why is it not in Fedora (I cannot find it in Fedora and also there seems
to be no review request).
Regards,
Till
2:04 p.m.
On 31.01.2008 14:15, Till Maas wrote:
is there an upstream place for kmodtool?
In the past it was in Fedora's CVS at
http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/kmodtool/?root=fedora
These days the current version is in Livna and Livna's svn.
And in which repository should it be?
free.rpmfusion.org likely, as it's used to build free modules as well.
And why is it not in Fedora (I cannot find it in Fedora
It was in Fedora -- can't remember where, but it was used to build kmods
in Fedora, so it must have been somewhere (in the rpm macros package?).
But when Fedora kicked separately packages kernel modules I started to
develop it further in livna -- it made no sense to develop a Livna
only-solution in Fedora and just complicates things.
and also there seems to be no review request).
kmodtool goes way back to the fedora.us days. I'm sure there was a
review for it back then.
Cu
knurd
3:16 p.m.
On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 31.01.2008 14:15, Till Maas wrote:
> And in which repository should it be?
free.rpmfusion.org likely, as it's used to build free modules as well
Is there a repo available already? There is no webserver on port 80 available
on this host.
> And why is it not in Fedora (I cannot find it in Fedora
It was in Fedora -- can't remember where, but it was used to build kmods
in Fedora, so it must have been somewhere (in the rpm macros package?).
In Fedora one was forced to use a copy of it in the srpm/cvs branch, there was
no package containing it.
But when Fedora kicked separately packages kernel modules I started
to
develop it further in livna -- it made no sense to develop a Livna
only-solution in Fedora and just complicates things.
Imho developing it in Fedora cvs was not good. Can you maybe use fedorahosted
to develop it? Or host it on somehow else, which makes sure where to get it,
how to report bugs and send patches?
Nevertheless I cannot see how adding it as a package to Fedora instead of
rpmfusion would make it more complicate. For users of kmodtool, it would be a
lot easier. Also I understand the founding priciples[1] in a way, that
rpmfusion does not contain packages, that could be in Fedora instead. And the
dkms infrastructure is also in Fedora.
Regards,
Till
[1] http://rpmfusion.org/FoundingPrinciples
4:23 p.m.
On 31.01.2008 16:16, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 31.01.2008 14:15, Till Maas wrote:
>> And in which repository should it be?
> free.rpmfusion.org likely, as it's used to build free modules as well
Is there a repo available already?
Nope.
>> And why is it not in Fedora (I cannot find it in Fedora
> It was in Fedora -- can't remember where, but it was used to build kmods
> in Fedora, so it must have been somewhere (in the rpm macros package?).
In Fedora one was forced to use a copy of it in the srpm/cvs branch, there was
no package containing it.
Yeah, your right. My memory fooled me.
> But when Fedora kicked separately packages kernel modules I
started to
> develop it further in livna -- it made no sense to develop a Livna
> only-solution in Fedora and just complicates things.
Imho developing it in Fedora cvs was not good. Can you maybe use fedorahosted
to develop it? Or host it on somehow else, which makes sure where to get it,
how to report bugs and send patches?
In the long run: maybe. But I don't want to have yet another thing on my
plate that keeps me away from working on RPM Fusion.
Cu
knurd
4:48 p.m.
On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
On 31.01.2008 16:16, Till Maas wrote:
> On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
>> On 31.01.2008 14:15, Till Maas wrote:
>>> And in which repository should it be?
>>
>> free.rpmfusion.org likely, as it's used to build free modules as well
>
> Is there a repo available already?
Nope.
>> But when Fedora kicked separately packages kernel modules I
started to
>> develop it further in livna -- it made no sense to develop a Livna
>> only-solution in Fedora and just complicates things.
>
> Imho developing it in Fedora cvs was not good. Can you maybe use
> fedorahosted to develop it? Or host it on somehow else, which makes sure
> where to get it, how to report bugs and send patches?
In the long run: maybe. But I don't want to have yet another thing on my
plate that keeps me away from working on RPM Fusion.
So how is one supposed to create a kmod package (e.g. VirtualBox-OSE-kmod) for
RPM Fusion if there is no way to get to kmodtool?
Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
Regards,
Till
4:52 p.m.
Till Maas wrote:
Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
postfix is a fine word,
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/postfix
but I think you're right that suffix works better here. :)
-- Rex
4:59 p.m.
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:48 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 31.01.2008 16:16, Till Maas wrote:
> > On Thu January 31 2008, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> >> On 31.01.2008 14:15, Till Maas wrote:
> >>> And in which repository should it be?
> >>
> >> free.rpmfusion.org likely, as it's used to build free modules as well
> >
> > Is there a repo available already?
>
> Nope.
> >> But when Fedora kicked separately packages kernel modules I started to
> >> develop it further in livna -- it made no sense to develop a Livna
> >> only-solution in Fedora and just complicates things.
> >
> > Imho developing it in Fedora cvs was not good. Can you maybe use
> > fedorahosted to develop it? Or host it on somehow else, which makes sure
> > where to get it, how to report bugs and send patches?
>
> In the long run: maybe. But I don't want to have yet another thing on my
> plate that keeps me away from working on RPM Fusion.
So how is one supposed to create a kmod package (e.g. VirtualBox-OSE-kmod) for
RPM Fusion if there is no way to get to kmodtool?
I seem to recall that you can yum install kmodtool from livna. Yep,
there it is...
http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/development/SRPMS/kmodtool-1-7.lv...
Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
Yes it is.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/postfix
post·fix [v. pohst-fiks, pohst-fiks; n. pohst-fiks]
–verb (used with object)
1.
to affix at the end of something;
append; suffix.
–noun
2.
something postfixed.
3.
a suffix.
[Origin: 1795–1805; post- + -fix, modeled on prefix]
—Related forms
post·fix·al, post·fix·i·al, adjective
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
5:15 p.m.
On Thu January 31 2008, Jarod Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:48 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
I seem to recall that you can yum install kmodtool from livna. Yep,
there it is...
http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/development/SRPMS/kmodtool-1-7.lvn9
.src.rpm
Ah, it is not available for Fedora 7 there, but the machine I am currently
using runs Fedora 7. But this seems not to be the version that is mentioned
in
http://rpmfusion.org/Packaging/KernelModules/Kmods2
because there it is written about version 2.x.
> Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
> kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
Yes it is.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/postfix
Is it common to use postfix instead of suffix? Both the dictionaries I have
here do not mention it, but suffix. Nevertheless, at least I learned that my
dictionaries suck.
Regards,
Till
6:07 p.m.
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:15 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu January 31 2008, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:48 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> I seem to recall that you can yum install kmodtool from livna. Yep,
> there it is...
>
> http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/development/SRPMS/kmodtool-1-7.lvn9
>.src.rpm
Ah, it is not available for Fedora 7 there, but the machine I am currently
using runs Fedora 7. But this seems not to be the version that is mentioned
in
http://rpmfusion.org/Packaging/KernelModules/Kmods2
because there it is written about version 2.x.
Ah yes, I think kmod 2 was going to have dkms-alike support, iirc, but I
dunno where to get that...
> > Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
> > kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
>
> Yes it is.
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/postfix
Is it common to use postfix instead of suffix? Both the dictionaries I have
here do not mention it, but suffix. Nevertheless, at least I learned that my
dictionaries suck.
Heh, I think suffix is more common than postfix, unless you're talking
mathematics or mail servers.
--
Jarod Wilson
jarod(a)wilsonet.com
6:43 p.m.
On 31.01.2008 19:07, Jarod Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:15 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> On Thu January 31 2008, Jarod Wilson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:48 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
>> I seem to recall that you can yum install kmodtool from livna. Yep,
>> there it is...
>> http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/development/SRPMS/kmodtool-1-7.lvn9
>> .src.rpm
> Ah, it is not available for Fedora 7 there, but the machine I am currently
> using runs Fedora 7. But this seems not to be the version that is mentioned
> in http://rpmfusion.org/Packaging/KernelModules/Kmods2
> because there it is written about version 2.x.
Ah yes, I think kmod 2 was going to have dkms-alike support, iirc, but I
dunno where to get that...
Well, to be precise: I started to work on kmod improvements to make live
for repo-maintainers and contributers easier in the first place. That
included things like: removing the hardcoded kernel-version in the spec
file, make it possible to build for different kernel-version in one go
(as Fedora xen-kernels have a different version than the main kernel),
make is possible to support older kernels in parallel to the up2date
ones better and make it easier to build for non-fedora-kernels.
That was realized with the kmod2 stuff livna started to use for F8. Then
all that was needed for dkms-like support was a kmod.srpm in a known
place and a script that rebuilds it during bootup using rpmbuild if
needed. During December I finally sat down and wrote it (I actually
started to work on it when I wanted to work on the rpmfusion infra but
the xen instances were down again). The whole concept is called akmods
and can be tested in livna developement (aka livna for rawhide). I
didn't announce it properly yet -- lack of time and akmods likely still
needs some improvements bugfixes. But it seems to work, as I got one
report already that a akmod (a rpm that contains a kmod.srpm) doesn't
build in rawhide.
Cu
knurd
Cu
knurd
6:11 p.m.
On 31.01.2008 18:15, Till Maas wrote:
On Thu January 31 2008, Jarod Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 17:48 +0100, Till Maas wrote:
> I seem to recall that you can yum install kmodtool from livna. Yep,
> there it is...
>
> http://livna-dl.reloumirrors.net/fedora/development/SRPMS/kmodtool-1-7.lvn9
> .src.rpm
Ah, it is not available for Fedora 7 there, but the machine I am currently
using runs Fedora 7. But this seems not to be the version that is mentioned
in http://rpmfusion.org/Packaging/KernelModules/Kmods2
because there it is written about version 2.x.
Sorry, I should have mentioned it earlier in the thread that kmodtool is
only in Livna for F8 and later only. Sorry. It's written indirectly on
quoted wiki page , but not really obvious.
>> Btw. kmodinstdir_postfix should propably be called
>> kmodinstdir_suffix. "Postfix" is afaik not an english word.
> Yes it is.
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/postfix
Is it common to use postfix instead of suffix? Both the dictionaries I have
here do not mention it, but suffix. Nevertheless, at least I learned that my
dictionaries suck.
Well, we nevertheless could change this if we want, but that would
require adjustments in all kmod packages. I'm wondering if that's worth
the trouble.
CU
knurd
12:01 a.m.
I was under the impression that akmods was the way to go. I just submitted a
package using it (blcr) to rpmfusion.
I'm using this on F8 with fine results (so far).
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