Devel buildsys broken?

[Nicolas Chauvet]

2009/3/1 Julian Sikorski <belegdol at gmail.com>:
> Thorsten Leemhuis pisze:
>> On 27.02.2009 10:55, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Kevin Kofler
>>> <kevin.kofler at chello.at> wrote:
>>>> No, the problem is that you need to use RPM 4.6 on the host system to
>>>> build
>>>> Rawhide packages, see the discussions on the fedora-devel-list.
>>> If the problem is that our build system doesn't yet use RPM 4.6, why
>>> don't we update it?
>>
>> One reason: Because the PPC builder uses F9 and is used for other things
>> as well -- so simply updating it to a RPM version might break other
>> crucial services on that machine. Thus is needs to be properly discussed
>> and planed how to move forward before we can do something. I tried to
>> reach the owner of the PPC machine (who's traveling right now) yesterday
>> to discuss a solution, but didn't get a response yet.
>>
>> Another reason: Somebody needs to sit down and actually do install the
>> new rpm (a sane one; not one that is found unsigned somewhere on the
>> net!) on the two x86-builders that both run CentOS 5.
>>
>>
>> But the real reason is a different one:
>>
>> *Our organization in regards to infrastructure maintenance sucks. A lot.*
>>
>> We afaics need a real infrastructure team with at least two or three
>> *active* (e.g. not only driven by events like breakage) people that take
>> care of the builders and all the other infra we have. Only then RPM
>> Fusion will last. I had hoped Xavier would form such a team, but that
>> didn't happen afaics and he afaics seems to be quite busy with real life
>> and Fedora-tasks right now, otherwise I guess he would have foreseen
>> this problem and acted already.
>>
>> CU
>> knurd
>>
>> P.S.: Please note that I don't want to get counted as part of the
>> "infrastructure team". Yes, I have access to some (nearly all) of the
>> builders (sometimes I'm the only one that has access), but I really want
>> to hand the responsibility over to a infra team. But there is nobody I
>> can hand it over to afaics. Reminder: I just did infra work in the past
>> because somebody had to do it to get RPM Fusion running.
>>
>> And another reminder: Our infra is quite fragile afaics. We have lots of
>> single-points of failure and there are lots of hacks here and there to
>> make things work. That could become a real problem in the long run if we
>> don't form a real active infra team.
>>
> I wonder how redhat folks have solved this problem, since afaik the koji
> builders are running rhel.
rhel 5.3, IIRC which doesn't have the matching equivalent in centos yet.
Isn't it ?

Nicolas (kwizart)