Where we are and where do we what to go?

[Thorsten Leemhuis]

On 01.03.2009 00:05, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> 
> [Catching up on this after  a long time so excuse the delay]
> 
>>>> - no RPM Fusion Fedora remix maintained within the project; do we 
>>>> want one? Or even proper install DVDs that already contain packages 
>>>> from RPM Fusion?
>>> I was very happy to see Rahul do some work here, way to go Rahul! I 
>>> don't care much if the remix is an official part of rpmfusion or not.
>> In my experience having such things outside the project IMHO leads to 
>> confusion among the users; sooner or later others might start creating 
>> their own RPM Fusion spins, which often lead to competition instead of 
>> cooperation :-/ 
> I have asked multiple times with no clear decision.

Well, from my point of view the whole process had a very bad start. Two 
reasons (among others) for that *option* of mine:

(a) you tried to do many things own your own (e.g. presenting something 
nearly finished including a name for it) without getting the list 
properly involved *early* enough in the process; yes, I know, you tried 
to get it involved, but maybe not hard enough and/or to late; maybe it 
was simply bad luck (people on vacation maybe?); "(b)" is also part of 
the problem

(b) seems many people are interested in a spin, but either found no time 
to participate or are not much more then "interested" (e.g. not willing 
to invest time for it, but would like it; that's a general problem in 
RPM Fusion afaics)

Maybe putting everything aside and starting fresh might help; e.g. 
discuss what we want: name(s), target audience, gnome vs. kde (we should 
do both), free and nonfree, Live-Spin vs. regular install media, ...; 
that might help to get things rolling again (but maybe I'm wrong with 
that). Sure that is slower, but it might lead to what we all want ;-)

> There is theory a 
> steering committee who is in charge but it doesn't seem active.

I brought that topic up a few days already in a mail. Until that is 
solved: If you want to get something decided by the steering committee 
then ask it and I'm sure you'll get an answer.

But right now there isn't much to decide afaik, as omega includes 
packages that are not part of Fedora and RPM Fusion. That IMHO makes it 
just as unacceptable for RPM Fusion as an official Fedora spin with a 
RPM Fusion package in it.

> If RPM 
> Fusion as a project want to host the kickstart file, images and help 
> review, test and provide feedback on anything related to the live cd, I 
> would be happy to participate. 

Sounds good.

> As long as decisions don't get done, I 
> would have to continue hosting it outside this project. 

That's for me sounds a lot like "my packages were not reviewed; there 
wasn't even a real reviewer, just a few random comment; so instead of 
trying harder or getting exchange reviews organized I start my own repo 
instead of participating to Fedora or RPM Fusion".

> I continue to 
> point users to this mailing list for discussions and continue to post 
> updates here whenever anything related to the live cd happens.  A note 
> on the live cd, I am including libdvdcss so you might want to consider 
> the effect of that on hosting.

Regarding that: For my option on that see above.

CU
knurd