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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/28/2013 12:48 PM, Alexandre Moine
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 27/09/2013 22:16, Alec Leamas a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/27/2013 10:02 PM, Richard
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Alexandre
Moine <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nobrakal@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">nobrakal@fedoraproject.org</a>></span>
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all,<br>
<br>
I'm a new packager in the RpmFusion Project, and in
the Fedora Project<br>
in general.<br>
I submitted a review request of the openmw package [1]
[2]. And I've a<br>
problem. Openmw include 2 bundled package. So, I apply
to make two<br>
exceptions. This is the reason:<br>
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For shiny:<br>
Per upstream it is designed to be copied in and is not
a stand alone<br>
library.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/scrawl/shiny/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt"
target="_blank">https://github.com/scrawl/shiny/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt</a><br>
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For oics:<br>
Modified from upstream source.<br>
<br>
You can also read our discussion in the openmw forum
[3].<br>
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Links:<br>
[1]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2921"
target="_blank">https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2921</a><br>
[2]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://openmw.org/en/" target="_blank">https://openmw.org/en/</a><br>
[3]: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1671&start=30"
target="_blank">http://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1671&start=30</a><br>
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Please, if you have any question, ask me :)</blockquote>
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<div>Of course you get my vote, but I'm biased. :)</div>
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<div>Richard</div>
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To be a little formal, you are required to provide answers to
the standard questions in [1] before there is a decision. If you
try to answer those, things will be much easier to sort out.<br>
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<div>Oh sorry, I forgot that:<br>
Has the library behaviour been modified? No for shiny, it is
developped by a member of the openmw project. Yes for Oics. It
is modified to work with sdl.<br>
Why haven't the changes been pushed to the upstream library? I
don't know... But the team has been heavy modified the code.<br>
Could we make the forked version the canonical version within
Fedora? No, oics is designed to work with openmw. For shiny, it
can't to work alone<br>
Are the changes useful to consumers other than the bundling
application? No, for the same. Oics is designed for openmw. For
shiny, I don't know, but I think not. It's really designed for
openmw.<br>
What is the attitude of upstream towards bundling? The writer of
shiny is very sympatic (@scrawl). For the writer of OICS, i
don't know.<br>
Overview of the security ramifications of bundling.The sources
is sure (it's remake by developpers of openmw, not dangerous)<br>
Does the maintainer of the Fedora package of the library being
bundled have any comments about this? The package does not
exist.<br>
Is there a plan for unbundling the library at a later time? For
now, no. It's difficult to do this, and the openmw have other
fish to fry! But, with the time, maybe.<br>
Please include any relevant documentation:<br>
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<div>shiny project: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/scrawl/shiny">https://github.com/scrawl/shiny</a><br>
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<div>OICS: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/oics/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/oics/</a><br>
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<div> The discussion about this on the openmw wiki: <a
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href="http://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1671&start=30">http://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1671&start=30</a><br>
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<div>Thank you very much Richard ;)<br>
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<div>Alexandre</div>
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--alec<br>
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PS Yes, its a pain... been there, done that. ;) DS<br>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Standard_questions">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Standard_questions</a><br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Alexandre, Fedora User and Ambassador</pre>
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Hm, lets try to split this discussion into two: one for shiny and
one for OICS. <br>
<br>
For shiny: is there a problem to package this separately? The code
is unmodified, so you could just unbundle a new shiny package, and
make sure it works with openmw? There is something I don't really
get here.<br>
<br>
It might be that the shiny package just is some source code and not
actually linked against. But that does preclude making a separate
package IMHO. However, we need more input on this - I',m on thin
ice here.<br>
<br>
--alec<br>
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