Omega - Sudo for first user?

Ralf Corsepius rc040203 at
Thu Oct 2 05:47:24 CEST 2008

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 23:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> >>> On 01.10.2008 16:43, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If I stuck this portion into the fedora-live initscript, it would 
> >>>> enable sudo for the first user entered during firstboot. Does this 
> >>>> seem like a sensible thing to do? Does anyone have the details 
> >>>> handy on modifying consolehelper as well?
> >>>
> >>> The official RPM Fusion spin should IMHO be a Fedora + add-on 
> >>> packages and nothing else.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes, we could do fancy things like enabling sudo by default and 
> >>> hundred other things where Fedora sucks. But that's somethings that 
> >>> is IMHO just as bad as replacing packages from Fedora (which we 
> >>> don't do) 
> >> I kind of see your point but I think there is room for minor 
> >> improvements such as these.
> >
> > I think that if this improvement is worth the trouble, it should go 
> > into the firstboot application (upstream), even if only as a 
> > configurable firstboot option.
> Sure, there is no disagreement on the ideal path. There has been RFE's  
> (sometimes with patches) for similar things a long time.  The 
> traditional problem is a very diffused userbase where anything except 
> status quo tends to meet with opposition.

It's not "not changing the status quo", it's a matter of "experienced
users vs. newbies lacking the knowledge to understand the status quo".

>   The recent change to add sbin to path being a recent example
>  where somebody decides to go ahead and do 
> it anyway.
Correct, a masterpiece of where uneducated newbies are outsmarting
themselves and are throwing away well-thought out principles which have
developed over a long period of development for good reasons.

To me, this /sbin PATH thing is a regression and a Fedora mistake. 

Fortunately, it's unimportant enough to fret about it.

>  Hopefully that happens with sudo as well.
Well, ... see above.


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