hi, ... this is a really bad attitude, and I'm sad to hear that from you :-( basically, you have two options: the gutless way or the brave way the first one is to write about it in a way which cannot be seen in violation of the law in any way the second is not to equivocate and try to find *a lot of* supporters - they cannot imprison the whole nation ... being selected as the one deterrent case surely is not pleasant, but remember, if there weren't the braves in America ready to put their lives, the negros - sorry, "afroamericans" - there would be slaves still ... so a year in prison in the worst case does not sound that bad as a active resistance against being put into this new age digital "slavery" but if you do nothing, just bend your back and pretend that the problem does not exist, that is the nearly worst you can do - what is really worst is when you force others not to keep their freedom just for you comfort not having to deal with that problem ... just my 0.02€ K.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote: Oh yes, Rex, you are so right. When a corrupt over-reaching all-powerful government makes bad laws we should all just bend over backwards and take it. Get Real, Get Brave, Get Guns and Revolt. I'm willing to bet we will have a revolution within a short time here in America. It's either that, or we will all end up as slaves and surfs due to the fiat currency central-banking debt-based monetary system which most of ignorantly take a part of.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote: When someone talks about a government which takes away your freedom of speech and says it is illegal to even blog about a software which might potentially be used against copy protection, it makes be proud to be an American, despite all of our problems. I will be the first to admit that the American government is evil and corrupt, but atleast we still have some basic human rights here like freedom of speech.

Just wanted to reply to this thread somewhere but then I found this mail with pretty much sums up my thoughts: On 16.10.2008 16:20, Xavier Bachelot wrote: For now just continue to obtain it where you got it from until now (e.g. livna or freshrpms) +1 -- I suppose those people will start to act once we definitely decided not to have libdvdcss in RPM Fusion +1 Cu knurd

Am Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:01:38 +0200 schrieb Karel Volný <kvolny(a)redhat.com&gt;: Don't dictate other people from other countries what they should think and what they fear. The problem here is that a famous german news site was condemned just because they linked in a news story to the website of a similar product as libdvdcss (AFAIR). So the best thing would be to not provide libdvdcss in RPMFusion. Sorry, but that's stupid. No one is dying because of not being able to install libdvdcss through rpmfusion. libdvdcss is just not important enough to ruin my life for it (when being imprisoned or being sentenced to pay a lot of money, hell, don't even to get the money for a lawsuit). libdvdcss is just not important enough to demand on the freedom of speech and the freedom of press (especially for a single person). The law to forbid libdvdcss may be stupid, but RPMFusion or Richard's blog isn't the right place to fight against this law. As said above, don't dictate other people what they should do. Thanks. Sebastian

<friday_trolling> On Thursday 16 October 2008 16:38:38 Sebastian Vahl wrote: ... hm, saying that something is a bad attitude and I am sad about it is "dictating" ... oh well ... then please prepend "this is only my humble personal opinion and I do not force anybody to act according to it in any other way than telling him what I consider righteous, while I respect that the opinions may differ" to all of my text, so that you do not get unnecessary angry and if the country is so important to you, then please guarantee that these laws are going to stay in Germany and won't spread like a plague across the whole European Union which we share (nor the whole world, of course - but there is the First Amendment in the U.S. ...) "So the best" ... hm, looks to me like this is a typical hasty generalisation and deductive fallacy (missing step between what happens in Germany and what is best for RPMFusion) so, they linked - if *this* is the court evidence, is it necessary to link? (Google is filtered in Germany?) "in a news story" - what was the story about, how was it written? what if you say something like: "Dear German users, our law forbids this and that, so if you encounter it, do not download and use it."? ... of course I do not know the exact wording of the law, but I bet there is a way how to dodge - using the example above, I cannot imagine that you'd be punished for telling people to behave in accordance with the law and before you tell me again that it is stupid - it is just simplified, but the principle should work, just go find a lawyer who will make it perfect and so no one will be executed because of providing it - the example is for illustration, not to match the situation exactly: then it would not be an example of a similar principle but a description of the situation of course it is not so important ... if you boil a frog, increasing the temperature by one degree is not that important for it to jump out ... ok, so ... in which way do you fight against it? ... yep, please do not do the same to me what you want me not to do to others, thanks :-p </friday_trolling> (hope this will get lost in the flooding of the bugzilla e-mail we are getting ;-)) K.