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http://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467
Summary: Package Review: Mosaic - Web Browser
Product: Package Reviews
Version: Current
Platform: All
OS/Version: GNU/Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P5
Component: Review Request
AssignedTo: rpmfusion-package-review(a)rpmfusion.org
ReportedBy: lkundrak(a)v3.sk
CC: rpmfusion-package-review(a)rpmfusion.org
Estimated Hours: 0.0
SPECS: http://v3.sk/~lkundrak/SPECS/Mosaic.spec
SRPMS: http://v3.sk/~lkundrak/SRPMS/Mosaic-2.7-0.2.b5.fc11.src.rpm
Description:
Mosaic is the web browser and client for protocols such as FTP, Usenet, and
Gopher. Its has a clean, easily understood user interface and is capable of
displaying images inline with text.
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4:37 p.m.
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NicolasChauvet <kwizart(a)gmail.com> changed:
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--- Comment #1 from NicolasChauvet <kwizart(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 18:37:52 ---
I'm opposed to have this packaged into rpmfusion, last upstream release is more
than 10 years ago.
Any reason why this package should be usefull?
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6:15 p.m.
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--- Comment #2 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-03-29 20:15:36 ---
(In reply to comment #1)
I'm opposed to have this packaged into rpmfusion, last upstream
release is more
than 10 years ago.
What's wrong with that provided the package has an active maintainer?
Any reason why this package should be usefull?
Browsing gopher?
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7:08 p.m.
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--- Comment #3 from Andrea Musuruane <musuruan(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 21:08:25 ---
(In reply to comment #2)
(In reply to comment #1)
> I'm opposed to have this packaged into rpmfusion, last upstream release is more
> than 10 years ago.
What's wrong with that provided the package has an active maintainer?
It may have tons of security issues and it isn't useful at all because it can
hardly display any current web page correctly.
> Any reason why this package should be usefull?
Browsing gopher?
So, why not providing gopher? or Netscape 3.x and 4.x?
I'm sorry but I agree with Nicolas. I don't think we should ship it.
Another reason why we shouldn't ship is because it can go in Fedora because the
license is fine:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#SoftwareLicenses
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7:28 p.m.
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--- Comment #4 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-03-29 21:28:24 ---
(In reply to comment #3)
(In reply to comment #2)
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > I'm opposed to have this packaged into rpmfusion, last upstream release is
more
> > than 10 years ago.
>
> What's wrong with that provided the package has an active maintainer?
It may have tons of security issues and it isn't useful at all because it can
hardly display any current web page correctly.
Firefox has tons of security issues as well. They're being fixed actively. Feel
free to point me to a single security issue of Mosaic, and I'll be glad to fix
it.
Please refrain from commenting functionality when you've not tried it. It
indeed renders most pages usably and probably even better than some browsers
Fedora ships do (lynx).
> > Any reason why this package should be usefull?
>
> Browsing gopher?
So, why not providing gopher? or Netscape 3.x and 4.x?
Seriously -- what's wrong with providing a lightweight web browser? It starts
up blazingly fast and renders reasonably well. I'm sure I'm not the only user
who finds that useful.
Another reason why we shouldn't ship is because it can go in
Fedora because the
license is fine:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#SoftwareLicenses
No it's not. The Mosaic license it's not even there. And it forbids commercial
use, therefore is not compatible with Fedora:
* Any Licensee wishing to make commercial use of the Software should *
* contact the UI, c/o NCSA, to negotiate an appropriate license for such *
* commercial use. Commercial use includes (1) integration of all or *
* part of the source code into a product for sale or license by or on *
* behalf of Licensee to third parties, or (2) distribution of the binary *
* code or source code to third parties that need it to utilize a *
* commercial product sold or licensed by or on behalf of Licensee. *
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8:43 p.m.
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> What's wrong with that provided the package has an active
maintainer?
>
> It may have tons of security issues and it isn't useful at all because it
can
> hardly display any current web page correctly
Seriously -- what's wrong with providing a lightweight web browser? It
starts
up blazingly fast and renders reasonably well. I'm sure I'm not the only
user
who finds that useful.
i can't believe what i'm reading. I shouldnt laugh, I like my old stuff
too, but its probably going to have to stay a custom for yourself, I cant
see this getting into any repo either.
7:34 p.m.
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--- Comment #5 from Alexey Torkhov <atorkhov(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 21:34:05 ---
(In reply to comment #4)
Please refrain from commenting functionality when you've not
tried it. It
indeed renders most pages usably and probably even better than some browsers
Fedora ships do (lynx).
Any chance to let it display pages in non-latin charset?
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7:40 p.m.
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--- Comment #6 from Andrea Musuruane <musuruan(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 21:40:10 ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> Another reason why we shouldn't ship is because it can go in
Fedora because the
> license is fine:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#SoftwareLicenses
>
No it's not. The Mosaic license it's not even there. And it forbids commercial
use, therefore is not compatible with Fedora:
* Any Licensee wishing to make commercial use of the Software should *
* contact the UI, c/o NCSA, to negotiate an appropriate license for such *
* commercial use. Commercial use includes (1) integration of all or *
* part of the source code into a product for sale or license by or on *
* behalf of Licensee to third parties, or (2) distribution of the binary *
* code or source code to third parties that need it to utilize a *
* commercial product sold or licensed by or on behalf of Licensee. *
In this case the license tag you used it's invalid.
NCSA stands for "NCSA/University of Illinois Open Source License":
http://www.otm.uiuc.edu/faculty/forms/opensource.asp
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7:47 p.m.
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--- Comment #7 from Andrea Musuruane <musuruan(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 21:47:42 ---
(In reply to comment #4)
Please refrain from commenting functionality when you've not
tried it. It
indeed renders most pages usably and probably even better than some browsers
Fedora ships do (lynx).
What makes you think I haven't used Mosaic? I used to run web compatibility
test with it well past year 2000 and then I stopped because it was no longer
used by no one and it's rendering was incorrect even for simple web pages.
When Mosaic was last release, the current HTML version was HTML 2.0!
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8:09 p.m.
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--- Comment #8 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-03-29 22:09:11 ---
(In reply to comment #5)
Any chance to let it display pages in non-latin charset?
No. No chance to play flash as well.
(In reply to comment #6)
(In reply to comment #4)
In this case the license tag you used it's invalid.
NCSA stands for "NCSA/University of Illinois Open Source License":
http://www.otm.uiuc.edu/faculty/forms/opensource.asp
I believe licenses of Mosaic and NCSA httpd were traditionally known as "NCSA
licenses", but I agree it's wise to change it to "Mosaic" to avoid
confusion
here.
(In reply to comment #7)
What makes you think I haven't used Mosaic? I used to run web
compatibility
test with it well past year 2000 and then I stopped because it was no longer
used by no one and it's rendering was incorrect even for simple web pages.
2000 is quite too much in past, isn't it. Web pages have changed a lot since
then, therefore your observations are no longer relevant. Mosaic changed as
well. Having checked compatibility back in 2000 is equivalent to not having
checked at all.
When Mosaic was last release, the current HTML version was HTML 2.0!
Quite current. It hasn't changed that much.
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--- Comment #9 from Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> 2009-03-29 23:09:51 ---
I don't understand the fuzz about this.
It may be old but "old != bad".
If there's demand, then this will get reviewed. What are your worries about?
Will this package bring bad reputation to rpmfusion or what?
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Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl> changed:
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--- Comment #10 from Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede(a)hhs.nl> 2009-03-30 10:17:33 ---
(In reply to comment #9)
I don't understand the fuzz about this.
It may be old but "old != bad".
If there's demand, then this will get reviewed. What are your worries about?
Will this package bring bad reputation to rpmfusion or what?
+1
If someone wants to package this, why stop him? The only concern I have is
security issues. But if it turns out that this becomes a real issue, we
can always drop the package then.
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--- Comment #11 from Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora(a)leemhuis.info> 2009-03-30 10:41:54
---
(In reply to comment #10)
(In reply to comment #9)
> I don't understand the fuzz about this.
> It may be old but "old != bad".
> If there's demand, then this will get reviewed. What are your worries about?
> Will this package bring bad reputation to rpmfusion or what?
+1
+1 from me as well
If someone wants to package this, why stop him?
Well, it creates work for others. E.g. load for the build on the server, space
on the server and the mirrors, one more package to take care of during
mass-rebuilds and more things like that. But whatever, I don't consider those
to be huge problems.
The only concern I have is
security issues. But if it turns out that this becomes a real issue, we
can always drop the package then.
Which doesn't magically remove the package from the users system, which makes
this point a bit questionable imho.
But if there is interest by someone to take care of this package and no real
show-stoppers anyone can point us to then let's just ship it. Only an full
security audit could make clean if mosaic has less or more security issues than
any other (outdated) package that is in Fedora or RPM Fusion.
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--- Comment #12 from Itamar Reis Peixoto <itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br> 2009-03-30
13:19:08 ---
+1 for the package
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--- Comment #13 from Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at> 2009-03-31 00:10:20 ---
For those worried about security, keep in mind that the submitter is a security
team member, so he knows what he's doing there. :-)
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--- Comment #14 from Martin Nagy <nagy.martin(a)gmail.com> 2009-04-22 21:56:52 ---
For %description: s/Mosaic is the/Mosaic is a/
Missing BR: libXmu-devel
rpmlint output:
Mosaic-debuginfo.i386: E: script-without-shebang
/usr/src/debug/Mosaic-src/src/bitmaps/busy_9.xbm
Mosaic-debuginfo.i386: W: spurious-executable-perm
/usr/src/debug/Mosaic-src/libnut/url-utils.c
These can be fixed by chmod-ing those files to 644.
Mosaic.desktop: s/Broswser/Browser
[1] Claims that new packages should not have the vendor tag applied.
Remainder: In Comment #8 you mentioned plans to change the license name to
"Mosaic"
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#desktop-file-install_...
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--- Comment #15 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-04-23 09:07:32 ---
Thanks for the review. New packages (I believe all issues were addressed):
SPECS: http://v3.sk/~lkundrak/SPECS/Mosaic.spec
SRPMS: http://v3.sk/~lkundrak/SRPMS/Mosaic-2.7-0.3.b5.fc11.src.rpm
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--- Comment #16 from Martin Nagy <nagy.martin(a)gmail.com> 2009-04-23 09:27:39 ---
All raised issues have been fixed, thanks.
rpmlint now complains only about the License tag.
APPROVED.
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--- Comment #17 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-04-23 10:19:32 ---
Package CVS request
======================
Package Name: Mosaic
Short Description: Web Browser
Owners: lkundrak
Branches: EL-5
License tag: nonfree
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--- Comment #18 from Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora(a)leemhuis.info> 2009-04-23 20:30:04
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Package CVS request
done
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--- Comment #19 from Lubomir Rintel <lkundrak(a)v3.sk> 2009-04-24 09:04:18 ---
Imported and built.
Thanks for review!
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